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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 12, 2010 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: the "acid test" - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

the "are they Cowboy dudes?" issue
— it's over! get over it! —
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This show is 10 percent Cowboy tunes. It's the first live tapes that I could find that easily match up the date, venue, and setlist. We have 3 peer-reviewed and highly regarded sources for Deadheads to look at the Cowboy issue. These 3 sources match up together. There are 2 Cowboy songs here.

I Know You Rider, and Cold Rain & Snow are played.
To me, this means GD has always been cowboys. Another issue is resolved on GD Forum!

The Internet Archive's LMA has it:

Collection: GratefulDead
Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: February 25, 1966
Venue: Ivar Theater
Location: Los Angeles, CA

The Deadlists Project has it:

Band:Grateful Dead
Venue:Sunset Acid Test
Location:Los Angeles, CA
Date:2/25/66 - Fridayposters
Comments:Owsley "Bear" Stanley: ...the Sunset Blvd. test was 25 Feb.
Recordings:No known recordings circulate mid 1998.
Download/Listen Sources:
Contributors:Teddy GoodBear, Grateful Dead Family Album -- p.30, Owsley Stanley
Caretaker:Teddy Goodbear

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02-25-66 Ivar Theater, Los Angeles, Ca. (Fri)

On The Road Again, Next Time, I Know You Rider, Hey Little One, Cold Rain & Snow, King Bee> Caution, Stealin

set list probably incomplete - date of list uncertain


Copyright 2002 DeadBase. All rights reserved.

they're Cowboys! — take a good look!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 12, 2010 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Well....the three sources seem to be mistaken.
The actual date of the tape seems to be 3/12/66, which is what the vault tape is labeled. (Though our date is only two weeks off!)

Also, I think I might draw a distinction between 'folk' songs and 'country' songs....Rider and Cold Rain don't seem much like cowboy songs to me, more like old folkie favorites - if anything, On the Road Again and Stealin' (two old jugband songs) seem more like cowboy tunes. Or you could also use the same setlist to say the GD are really a blues band at heart, what with Next Time You See Me and King Bee (and even Rider, which is also a blues song - it has the AAB verses that came out of the black tradition)...
1/8/66 is the earliest show where date/venue/setlist all seem to be settled - though admittedly, with all the acid-test-video editing, it could be from another date. As far as the setlist, it's mostly mo' blues!

Truth is, even at this early stage, the GD are all things at once...

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2010-08-12 21:46:08

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Aug 12, 2010 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Totally agree. And don't forget boogie. I think they were the best boogie band ever.

OTOH - I have seen pix of the boys on horses. I think they really did have cowboy fantasies when they moved out of Haight.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 12, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

So, a historical question: Does that make the recording labeled 2/25/66 an acid test or not?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1966-02-25.sbd.unknown.20346.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 12, 2010 10:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I'm pretty sure that's not an acid test. Most of our early '66 stuff sounds like actual 'shows' to me.
The exceptions are 1/8/66, and one of the reels on the 1966 'mystery reels' set, where Pigpen raps at the "who cares?" lady....I think those are the only spots where you can get a feel for what an acid-test show was like.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 13, 2010 12:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Yes, that's the impression I got too upon listening; it seems too structured to be what I'd assume an acid test would be like. Cool stuff, though -- I love that really early stuff! Will definitely be curious to check out the ones you mentioned.

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Poster: ducats Date: Aug 12, 2010 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I agree - that's a list of the blues, which imo they played from day one till the end. granted, a little rock n roll, jazz, country, folk, etc., etc, mixed in but.............
BLUES.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 12, 2010 6:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

"Folk", and "Blues" were cool, country was still looked at a little askance in 66 .
Other than a few dabbles in country, or country-like songs ( the Beatles version of 'Act Naturally" - 65, The Rolling Stones' 'High and Dry' - 66 , The Byrds " Mr. Spaceman - 66 ) most Rock & Roll groups stayed clear of it . While there were a few dabbles with Rock, coming from the country side , It is not till early 68, with Dylan's 'John Wesley Harding' that the beginnings of it being cool to like country music ( interestingly enough , Dylan's 'Blonde on Blonde" was recorded in Nashville ) .
BLUES

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 12, 2010 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I think there was a bit more than 'dabbling' in country music in pre-'68 rock. The Beatles in '64 were just soaked in country, it's all over Beatles for Sale (and to a lesser extent, Hard Day's Night & Help). The Stones were also fascinated by country, though they did less of it. But those are misleading examples, since as English groups, country music didn't have the same cultural meaning to them. The Byrds are an example of a progressive American group that slipped some country tunes on their albums in '66 and '67.

But anyway, your point's pretty much true, '68's the point where country music really hit among rock listeners, thanks to a convergence of bands suddenly doing it.
I think the Dead definitely had cowboy dreams in '69, ridin' horses, livin' out on the ranch, packin' guns & all that. That's the year country music started slipping into their sets, and there was more of it every year...by '73 you'd get first sets that were almost solid country.

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Poster: ducats Date: Aug 13, 2010 5:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

love to hear some other opinions. I don't care that mamu/mexacali/big river was in every other show. when Johnny played big river it was country, the fat mans version wasn't. Bobby was singing about cowboys in mamu, but Jer wasn't playin country - all imo ofcourse.

you want to go rock n roll rythem and blues - but I don't get the that's country music.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

And I don't understand how folks don't understand that country is rock is country is blues is folk is AMERICANA.

Labels are for record store clerks - damn, do I put Gil Scott-Heron in blues, rap (or is that hip-hop), or the jazz section?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqxq6xqoXI

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Are you a lawyer or a record store clerk?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 13, 2010 9:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-VFq6nWvT8

A frustrated lawyer that wants to open a record store and just alphabetize records by ... producer. However, I was, for a brief period of time, the manager of Kathleen Turner Overdrive, namechecked by Jack Black at the end of High Fidelity. Red, white and screwed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjVPJKbnG_I
FYI, the Australian band took their name from the film. The real KTO is 3/4 of the current drivin n cryin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=proQ4WzgiI8&;feature=related

RIP Doug Sahm

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-08-13 16:03:09

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 13, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Neat

Whoa Yeah . . . What I Say

This post was modified by jglynn1.2 on 2010-08-13 19:12:40

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 13, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Thank you BD! I was gonna get involved, but frankly, it was too much work...BMonroe? HWilliams? MRobbins? Elvis? JCash? Country, folk, bluegrass, cowboy, rock, etc., etc., or??? Just like rock, psych rock, blah, blah, blah.

I get blues; I get rock; but much of the rest is too vague/overlapping...I like American folk country rock.

Or, minimally, if we are going to split them up, I want it simple: each genre has to be defined by what instruments are used so an idiot like me can instantly say "ah ha! pedal steel means 'country' and fiddle means 'blue grass' and..." or something along those lines...not gonna happen, eh? Too much overlap? See? That's the problem...crap.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Aug 13, 2010 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

I've sometimes idly wondered if it would be possible to write a computer program that would infallibly identify one piece of music as soul, another as reggae, another as death metal, another as bhangra and so on. You'd have to be able to isolate the elements that incontrovertibly and unambiguously defined each one, and I rather suspect it couldn't be done.

I agree with bluedevil, that labels are for record stores and other small-minded types. Basically I listen to what I like and don't worry too much about finding a pigeonhole to put it in.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 14, 2010 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Agreed...and yet, I can recall how much significance was attached to the Byrds doing SwhtotRodeo, and Dylan going electric, in the sense of "genres clash! history is made!" and so on...

So, the flip side is, though the three of us agree on the downsides to this anal retentive streak (you'd think I'd be leading the charge, eh?), there is the "we do KNOW it when we hear it, though we can't define it" aspect to it that contributed to the importance of events such as those alluded to above...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

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Cowboy Song

Lyrics By: Unknown
Music By: Unknown

Let Me Google That for you

Yippee-ki-yo--ki-yah! Grateful Dead cowboys performed this on 9 April 1970 in an electric set — it's track 14 — gd70-04-09d2t05_vbr.mp3. We have these Cowboy lyrics recorded on tape:


Slow it down where it too far
Gotta slow it down where it should be

Slow everything down out in the country
Gotta slow it down keep it slow, cat

Can you give it pony truckin' for a beer, gal
Go out and find it wrapped in sin

If you don't mind one brand, six will do
Seven's a lucky number

Whoooo

The price is up where I belong
Singing them old country songs
Get everybody singing country songs
Get everybody back where we belong
Get everybody back where we belong
Get everybody singing songs Hey
Said fee fi fip yi yo
fee fi fip yi yo
Fee fi hoo doo doo doo


Jim Powell's description: "Cowboy Song" is an instrumental involving audience participation on a hoe-down type riff with an unknown vocalist conducting in a sort of scat and yodel fashion. This one-time-only affair never had a name. The title comes from tape labels. There have been a number of suggestions for who the unknown vocalist might be, but no agreement. The words can be hard to decipher.

20 April 1970 is a week later — Jer says, "We've always been Cowboys, man"
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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 25, 2011 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Grateful Dead archivist David Lemieux makes some very interesting comments in this recent interview. I built a much stronger case for my "Cowboy Thesis" in my follow-up comments here.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 25, 2011 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Put this in your pipe and smoke it:

http://www.magictripmovie.com/

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 25, 2011 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Reviewer: dead-head_Monte - 5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars5.00 out of 5 stars - May 25, 2011
Subject: Magic Trip movie trailer

Thank You!

• in my funky Taper's Handbook - look at the home page I made for my circulating recordings of the bands I taped. I remind you good sir, I'm claiming these artists were performing as Cowboys, Hillbillies, Hippies, or Gypsies.

Americana is what I taped

Nakamichi 550
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— Cowboys, Hillbillies, Hippies, & Gypsies —

Monte's Taper catalog on The Archive

Grateful Dead
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
June 9 & 10, 1973
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NewGrass Jam
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
April 7, 1974
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Central Park Sheiks
hippies
gypsies
May 15, 1974
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Bluegrass festival
cowboys
hillbillies
July 20, 1974
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Hillbilly Jazz
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
April 4 & 5, 1975
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Bluegrass Alliance
cowboys
hillbillies
Sept 23, 1975
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Newgrass Revival
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Sept 28, 1975
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Boone Creek
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
March 15, 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Vince Gill mode - 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Mark O'Connor mode - 1976
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Steel Guitar Convention
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Labor Day wknd 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Oct 25, 1976
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Arabesque
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
July 31, 1980
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Arabesque
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
Oct 25, 1980
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Van Manakas quartet
hippies
gypsies
March 1, 1984
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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 13, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

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Sittin' On Top of The World

Hillbillies or Cowboys - take your pick - a.k.a. "the Pokes"

item on The Archive
Collection: GratefulDead
Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: March 26, 1968
Venue: Melodyland Theater
Location: Anaheim, CA

Sittin' On Top of The World — mp3, 3:23, Jerry Garcia lead vocals
Source: unknown Audience — earliest AUD recording of this tune on The Archive


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After the applause, a GD cowboy says "Well, we never did that one very good even when we were doing it."

Next track is Dark Star, mp3, 7:30. Only a Grateful Dead cowboy band would play these 2 songs back-to-back.

Sittin' On Top of The World

performed by other "Cowboy" & "Hillbilly" bands:

Lazy River 1976 SBD
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Sittin' On Top of The World - mp3, 4:57, Vince Gill lead vocals
mixed & taped by Monte

Lazy River w/ 15-year-old Mark O'Connor 1976 SBD
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Sittin' On Top of The World - mp3, 7:51, Eric Weber lead vocals
mixed & taped by Monte

Newgrass Revival 1975 SBD
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Sittin' On Top of The World - mp3, 3:10, Sam Bush lead vocals
mixed by Hazel Johnson & taped by Monte

Bluegrass Alliance 1975 SBD
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Sittin' On Top of The World - mp3, 4:08, Vince Gill lead vocals
mixed & taped by Monte

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 13, 2010 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - issue resolved

Ah, there we go....that 'cowboy song' is as cowboy as the Dead could get... (Then there's Weir singing Frozen Logger every so often...)
Funnily enough, Sittin' on Top of the World was originally a kind of pop/blues song (written by a black Mississippi stringband), released as a 'race record' in 1930 that quickly became popular among both black & white singers. (The Depression probably had a lot to do with that.)
It was adopted by bluegrass, so there's two different traditions for that song, the fast bluegrass version & the slow blues version.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 29, 2011 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the 'acid test' - GD are cowboys! - Monte B Cowboy!

There's another Cowboy Song that's actually titled, "Cowboy Song". If Willie Nelson had put this out, it would have sky-rocketed to the top of the charts. It was written by my friend, John Jump. This Cowboy Song was performed by Lazy River in 1976. Vince Gill is playing fiddle. Soundman Monte Barry adds a touch of sound effects to that, mixes the soundboard, records it onto cassette tape with his Nakamichi 550, transfers it 3 years, and puts into the Live Music Archive.

Lazy River's arrangement is beautiful. There are five musicians, no drums. Had they done an arrangement for recording this Cowboy Song in a professional studio, they could have added some more instruments and some drums. It's a beautiful song. This version is my favorite "Cowboy Song". Cowboys and music lovers should give this a listen.

Cowboy Song - mp3 track - John Jump, lead vocals - 4:47

Monte B Cowboy

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